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Smash-Down of Epic Proportions

So, the “Great Ape Debate” was finally upon us. And it was nothing more than an epic evisceration, with real science prevailing and pseudo-science being exposed. Hopefully, this will take us into a new level of discovery, ridding us finally of the idiotic claims of the clueless….

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/03/creation-museum-debate-ham-nye/5177257/

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41 thoughts on “Smash-Down of Epic Proportions

  1. Except it resolved nothing. Creationists believe Ken Ham made the best case, others side with Bill Nye.

    I guess some believe you can’t determine the age of a tree by counting the rings, because you had to be there! Yet, the evidence-less global flood is absolute fact.

    I’m still waiting for Ken’s theory on how the fossils in the many layers of rock ended up in the way they did.

    Posted by jasonjshaw | 4 February, 2014, 11:34 pm
  2. Those who ignore the weight of scientific evidence have little credibility. Christians who insist that the creation happened in six 24 hour periods of time less than ten thousand years ago, and that there was a literal global flood at the time of Noah, do great harm to the Gospel. Seekers of truth find it very easy to dismiss the revelation of Creation and the incarnation of the Creator, when the revelation of the Scriptures is distorted by such foolishness.

    Posted by Marc | 5 February, 2014, 12:07 am
    • I’m still having trouble understanding how Noah got penguins and polar bears onto his ark.

      Posted by silenceofmind | 5 February, 2014, 9:01 am
    • I agree. Lets’ stick with real science people: Come on. Get with the program. Virgin births, walking on water, feeding thousands with breadcrumbs, turning water into wine ( now there’s a showstopper) sending demons into poor piggies, dead people coming back to life and wandering around like bloody tourists, and a myriad of other such ”scientific” stuff that normal rational people can believe in.

      Including, God-induced plagues and god turning up in a burning bush and making some poor octogenarian bastard chisel out some commandments.

      See? As long as we stick with real science our kids will be okay, right?

      Damn straight!

      God , I love science.

      Hey, Marc?

      Posted by Arkenaten | 6 February, 2014, 5:25 pm
      • Ark – Good to hear from you.

        A God that could create the cosmos from nothing could easily cause all the miracles on your list.

        Even the kids are smart enough to know that there is a source and purpose to the cosmos.

        Posted by Marc | 6 February, 2014, 11:48 pm
        • Really? You mean those kids who have been indoctrinated by idiots like you? Sadly, these same idiots will criticize Ken Ham for believing in tame dinosaurs but will think nothing of a man walking on water and come back from the dead.
          I am not sure who need psychiatric treatment more, dear Uncle Ken or the like of chuffin’ hypocrites like you?

          Posted by Arkenaten | 7 February, 2014, 4:16 am
          • No, I mean even kids that are indoctrinated by idiots like you to believe there is no Creator, can see what a fool you are. Any hypocrite like you who thinks atheist are somehow less prone to evil acts than theists, is clearly in need of psychiatric treatment.

            Posted by Marc | 7 February, 2014, 9:04 am
            • What are you going on about once again?
              Evil acts?

              That you ridicule Ken Ham and other YEC’s and consider yourself above ridicule for your own utterly pathetic beliefs is hilarious. Yet because you are all indoctrinated to various degrees of “stupid” you are completely unable to see it in yourself
              and do not even have the integrity to step back, take a deep breath and ask a few soul-searching and very pertinent questions.

              And why not? Oh, because you are a ”Christian” and obviously cannot be wrong so therefore there is no need to even question your own beliefs, pertaining to fallacious prophecies, Virgin Births and Resurrections etc

              And based on that reasoning neither is Ken Ham or any other of the 35,000 and counting sects that genuflect to the same narrative construct.

              And the more you try to defend this POV he more you just look silly.

              A hypocrite par excellence.

              Posted by Arkenaten | 7 February, 2014, 11:16 am
              • Ark – I am always happy to humor you. However, you seem to have a very short memory. It is silly for you to make the same empty accusations after they have been addressed many times over. Your talking points are old and empty.

                Posted by Marc | 8 February, 2014, 1:05 pm
              • What you continue to do is espouse christian polemic every time you put finger to keyboard, and never address the central issues of your faith.

                And this is merely another example of how devoid of substance your religion is.

                Good for Ken Ham
                .Nuts he may be, but at least he has a pair.
                The rest of you “Christians” are merely spineless hypocrites.

                You just look and sound very silly.

                Posted by Arkenaten | 8 February, 2014, 1:28 pm
              • Ark – If you would get your head out of your ass long enough to read what has been posted, you would see that I have addressed the central issues of my faith.

                I accept the miracle of creation from nothing, I accept the miracle of the Incarnation of God via virgin birth, and I accept the miracle of the Resurrection.

                Because I reject the fallacious beliefs of people like Ken Ham, it just pisses you off because it shows what a silly ignorant fool you are regarding a realistic understanding of Christianity.

                Posted by Marc | 8 February, 2014, 1:49 pm
              • No, what pisses me off, is that ”normal Christians’ (sic) display a monumental ego fueled holier than thou attitude toward YEC’s etc but still maintain that their brand of Christianity has merit and because you believe in Evolution and ‘science’ you should be inducted into the world of sensible people.
                Lol…fts.

                Well, I am sorry to say, old chap, your brand of Christianity is still as effed up as Uncle Ken’s. and ANYONE with an ounce of integrity would know this.
                Perhaps you should keep you head up your own backside old bean, especially if you are going to claim the high ground re: such garbage as the Virgin Birth.
                Maintaining a belief in this crap, when the evidence is right there before your very eyes, merely shows that you are, in fact, worse than the Ken Hams of the world.
                When you are prepared to be honest and stop behaving like a dickhead then maybe I’ll afford you a modicum of respect?
                Meantime, Marc, you are nothing but a willfully ignorant hypocrite.

                Posted by Arkenaten | 8 February, 2014, 2:44 pm
              • LOL. The atheist prick calls me a dickhead because he believes I am being dishonest, but he does not offer evidence in support. The atheist prick calls me holier than thou because I disagree, but he does not offer evidence in support. The atheist prick calls me willfully ignorant, but he does not offer evidence in support. So it would seem that the real hypocrite and blowhard windbag is the atheist prick.

                Posted by Marc | 8 February, 2014, 4:05 pm
              • I must offer you evidence for the fallacious doctrine of the virgin birth?
                Really?
                Are you so thick that you are unaware of the truth behind the supposed OT Prophecy in Isaiah and who it was actually directed at?
                Oh well, as you wont take it from me.
                Read this link, hot shot.

                http://www.outreachjudaism.org/articles/alma-virgin.html

                In fact, although Isaiah used the Hebrew word almah only one time in his entire corpus (7:14), the prophet uses this word virgin (betulah) five times throughout the book of Isaiah (23:4; 23:12; 37:22; 47:1; 62:5).
                Go read. Go learn….

                (c) Tovia Singer 2011

                You are a holier than thou hypocrite simply because you deride Ham yet still cling to non-evidenced supernatural beliefs.
                Why must I provide evidence to show that stuff is false? It IS false. You’re making the damn claim, you have to show it is true.
                Lol..what a twit you are.

                Posted by Arkenaten | 8 February, 2014, 4:19 pm
              • The only person who derides others as a holier than thou prick, is the Arkenaten twit. In his delusion, he offers up drivel like the link concerning the young woman or virgin, as though it made any difference in the day. Virtually all young women were virgins.

                Posted by Marc | 8 February, 2014, 5:08 pm
              • Drivel. RFLMAO!

                Which just goes to show how much of an ignorant bigot you truly are, that you are simply not willing to accept the truth, that Matthew’s claim of prophecy is a flat out error based on an erroneous translation.

                Besides, just read the damn verses and see who Isaiah made the prophecy for, for your god’s sake!
                it sure as hell was not Yeshua.
                You are hilarious.

                You think I would take the word of a inculcated Christian over a Hebrew scholar. Lol
                What a plonker. It’s about time you paid attention to proper history rather the diatribe you have been force fed
                Really, you make yourself look more ridiculous every time you try to justify your daft religion.

                Bring on Ken Ham. He might be nuts but he is so much more fun than a silly boy like you.

                Posted by Arkenaten | 8 February, 2014, 5:49 pm
              • While you were rolling on the floor laughing your ass off, the foul flatulence of your blow hard BS leaked out creating a gas hazard. If there is an open flame nearby, we may be spared from anymore nastiness from Arkenaten. If not, perhaps the risk to public safety will cause responsible parties to rebury the mummy.

                Posted by Marc | 8 February, 2014, 10:05 pm
              • LOL….
                Well, well, aren’t we getting creative?

                This little deflective venture into the literary world however, won’t save your position at all.

                If you are not prepared to even address the issues that continue to render your religion and its proponents as ridiculous as the YEC’s then you cannot whine and sulk when you are all lumped together.

                Time to ‘fess up and tell the truth , Marc.
                Being a Liar For Jesus just will not cut it any more.

                And let’s be honest, the truth is much more fun, as you aptly demonstrated by ragging on poor Ken Ham’s arse.

                Now all you have to do is take that one extra teensy weensy little step.
                Come on over. You know you want to…

                Posted by Arkenaten | 9 February, 2014, 5:09 am
              • Ark – You know that when you get civil, I almost like you. I suppose it is because as you say, “the truth is much more fun,” and I respect a fellow seeker of truth. If I am a liar for Jesus, it is not intentional. I just cannot accept a cosmic view that rejects a cause and purpose for our lives. At this point in my life I have too many family and friends who have reposed, to let go of the hope in a spiritual dimension and resurrection.

                Posted by Marc | 9 February, 2014, 8:36 am
              • I have never disliked you.
                I don’t know you well enough to form much of an an opinion either way.
                But at least you could be honest instead of ducking and diving and explain how the write of Matthew made an almighty ( intentional) cock-up of the virgin birth ”prophecy”.
                And be honest and recognise that it is simply a fallacious piece of polemic.

                Posted by Arkenaten | 9 February, 2014, 9:58 am
              • Ark – My understanding of Matthew’s reference to the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14, is that he used the Greek Septuagint OT as his reference. The Greek word used in this verse does mean virgin. The Masoretic OT that the Rabbi referenced in the link that you provided is more recent and subject to revision by the Jewish Rabbis since the time of Jesus.

                Posted by Marc | 9 February, 2014, 10:28 am
              • If you followed the link the explanation is perfectly straight forward.
                Almah means young woman,and was translated using the word parthenos, which means virgin. And thus the cock up.
                The Hebrew word for virgin is Betulah specifically means virgin.

                This is widely acknowleged by almost everyone aside from those uniformed and conservative Christians. Why are you being so obstinate?

                Furthermore the supposed prophecy was directed at King Ahaz, and there are numerous sites that explain this perfectly.
                What on earth have you been taught?

                http://www.outreachjudaism.org/articles/dual-virgin.html

                It is high time the Christian religion owned up about the cock – up they made and it can start with Christians like you

                Posted by Arkenaten | 9 February, 2014, 10:44 am
              • I am really trying not to be obstinate Ark, but there are a few points to consider:

                The translators of the Septuagint OT likely used older Hebrew transcripts than the translators of the Masoretic OT.

                That the translators of the Septuagint used the Greek word parthenos, may indicate that the Hebrew transcripts they were using did indeed use the Hebrew word betulah.

                The use of the word Immanuel meaning “God with us,” was also a compelling reason for Matthew’s reference.

                The concept of dual prophecy is also seen in Isaiah were the King of Babylon is likened to Lucifer who became Satan, and in Ezekiel where the King of Tyre is also likened to Satan.

                I will concede that there are disagreements and controversies about all three of these prophecies.

                Posted by Marc | 9 February, 2014, 1:50 pm
              • The dual prophecy crap is Christian polemic, nothing more.
                That the prophecy doesn’t appear in any other gospel is also compelling.
                Face it, once it was discovered that the gospel writer had made an almighty cock up apologists have been running around pissing their pants ever since…and the Jews whose text this really referred to have been laughing at you.

                And let’s remember , Marc, that this is the same gospel writer that claimed the dead climbed out their graves and went walkabout in Jerusalem….quite a feat and one that is not noted by a single source outside Matt’s gospel.

                Now, are you really going to defend this tripe as well?
                No, I doubt that you would credit that embarrassing yarn, now would you?

                But somehow you are trying to cling to a supernatural conception.

                If you can look yourself in the eye and say, Yes, I wholeheartedly believe the story of the Virgin Birth and that writer of Matthew was telling the truth and the account is factual then I will call it as i see i and state here and now that you are lying – ( and I;pd be willing to bet you would fail a polygraph if you denied this, because I know you aren’t an idiot.
                So you see, this is why you are on very shakey ground when you point a finger at Uncle Ken and smirk behind your hand at YEC’s.

                Because let me tell you right now, you are being laughed at even more. And for very good reason.

                One of the two foundational aspects of your faith , the Virgin Birth is a crock, based on an erroneous translation plagiarized by a dreadful writer that cannot not be salvaged by any bulldust polemic.
                And you know it as well as I do.

                Posted by Arkenaten | 9 February, 2014, 2:27 pm
              • Ark – I could dismiss Matthew as being over zealous without abandoning my faith and hope. Unlike Ken Ham and others, my faith does not require the Bible to be without errors.

                I am no more smirking at Uncle Ken because of his belief in YEC, than I am you about your lack of a belief in a Creator. I just do not agree with either one of you on those specific issues.

                Posted by Marc | 9 February, 2014, 3:15 pm
              • Ark – I could dismiss Matthew as being over zealous without abandoning my faith and hope. Unlike Ken Ham and others, my faith does not require the Bible to be without errors.

                How is that possible based on the fact that the writer of Matt made stuff up, ( got it woefully wrong) including the Virgin Birth, a cornerstone of your faith?

                Please explain because you are beginning to dance Marc…..

                Posted by Arkenaten | 9 February, 2014, 3:23 pm
              • Because the Incarnation via the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary were part of the oral Christian tradition decades before any of the four Gospels were written, an over reach on the part of the writer of Matthew regarding an OT prophecy does not negate the tradition.

                Posted by Marc | 9 February, 2014, 5:04 pm
              • What oral christian tradition?
                That they were most likely first hand accounts from Mary and Elizabeth? You going to grab at those verses in Luke?’

                Now you are reaching..merely espousing apologetic.
                Prime cherry picking.
                Don’t insult my intelligence. I thought yoyu were smarter than this.

                Paul was not aware of it. Paul was unaware of almost all of your ”Christian Tradition”.
                Dammit man he didn’t even go seek out Mary after his conversion.

                It is crap. Accept it and stop being a worm.

                Posted by Arkenaten | 9 February, 2014, 5:33 pm
              • Early Christianity is based on an Apostolic Tradition that did not include the NT at first. The key components of the Faith were first incorporated into prayers, creeds, worship practices, and iconography. Although Paul did not seek out the Virgin Mary, he did seek out Peter and the other Apostles who knew the Virgin Mary. The Church and the Faith existed long before the New Testament was written, and even longer before it was canonized.

                Posted by Marc | 9 February, 2014, 6:09 pm
              • Don’t start preaching to me, Marc, I know the damn history of the church and the gospels.

                Paul was unaware of any virgin birth tradition.
                And it is inconceivable that he wouldn’t seek out the “Virgin Mary”‘. The mother of your god? Please, stop being a twit.

                It is presumed there is an oral tradition. There is no evidence of any such thing other than what is written in the gospels which appeared way after Saul.
                I reiterate. If you are prepared to dismiss the Zombie Apocalypse then you have no right to accept the stupid virgin birth.
                You are once again, dancing and sidestepping.
                It is crap, and you know it….

                Posted by Arkenaten | 9 February, 2014, 6:16 pm
              • It is all quite true. The virgin birth. The resurrection of the dead. All of it. We don’t understand the science of it. Yet. Resurrection Science is still in its infancy. Genetic manipulation, we know a little bit about — though we have no understanding about the science of souls, and at this point are only into the making of monsters.

                Posted by Quackzalcoatl | 10 February, 2014, 12:42 am
              • Ah…’tis Ken Ham’s lessor known but equally as much a plonker brother, Smoked ham.

                Posted by Arkenaten | 10 February, 2014, 3:02 am
              • I’m sure the debate was a fantastic triumph of science and reason. I’ve seen enough of em to know almost exactly how it went. A rather pointless exercise of us vs. them-ism, in which the facts say whatever it is you need them to say.

                The universe is neither old nor young; an evolving creation which is becoming what it simply is, into what it once was and is to be.

                This is the essence of our faith, and the meaning behind the math.

                Posted by Quackzalcoatl | 10 February, 2014, 3:25 am
              • Ah..another perfect example of pseudo intellectual philosophical mindspeak that says nothing and is in ”essence” a steaming pile of horse apples.

                Well done, ”Smoked”!
                Cousin Ken would be proud….y’all?

                Posted by Arkenaten | 10 February, 2014, 3:31 am
              • Ark – Do you folks down in South Africa eat anything other than smoked ham? What would you call an un-smoked ham, pork rump roast? I know you like to hang out with Rabbis Ark, so you probably don’t eat piggy. Oh well, Uncle Ken has surely put up with more creative insults than yours. I doubt that Quack is responsible for any road apples, but Ark is certainly the provider of many cow pies. Ark, you are truly the master of bovine excrement.

                Posted by Marc | 10 February, 2014, 5:56 pm
      • From my blog… Some facts which defy science http://gjpaul.wordpress.com/

        Here’s some new ” mystical ” FACTS which evidence my knowledge and faith in God and Jesus.

        Tonite, Friday, February 07, 2014, my local TV news reported on 3 big stories I’ve been personally involved with for many years ! ( I use a low-cost digital broadcast receiver I bought on ebay, and made my own antenna from a DIY video on youtube. )

        The 1st story was a report on an increase in sexual violence against women, and I began particularly focusing on the harms against women since the early ’90’s, when I began denying the earth, and all sexual interest in women.

        The 2nd story reported on the anniversary of the USA tour by the BEATLES. I watched that sunday evening Ed Sullivan show, and their opening song was ” I Want To Hold Your Hand ” . I had visited Dallas in 1963. I bought the single with the song I Want To Hold Your Hand on one side. I took my grade-school dream girl to the movie ” Around the World in 80 Days ” , where I planned to hold her hand, but was too nervous about that.

        The 3rd story reported on hollywood”s interest in the stories about JESUS. My relationship with Jesus first began in my very early childhood ; I estimate likely sometime in 1957. ( My beloved MOTHER died from breast cancer in 1977, at 57yrs of age. )

        Posted by gjpaul | 8 February, 2014, 2:59 am
        • As no one replied to my comment, I suppose my 3rd story is why, so, here’s why I confided my most intimate relationship with my Mother.

          There have been two cosmic powers at work in my life, LOVE and Malice. Malice came against me when I was born, and has hurt me everyday of my life. LOVE was present for me via my Mother’s protestant faith, but my father was a crook ; used-car salesman, gambler, and adulterer. As it happens, opposites attract, but eventually my Mom was hurt too much by him and she realized what he’d say about things getting better wasn’t true. This became my first cross-road in life. My Mother’s liberal Heart, Compassion, and philosophy became my values ; JESUS became my teacher. Of course, Malice works daily to turn me away from LOVE and JESUS ; it thinks, the more I suffer, the less giving I’ll do, and the further from LOVE and JESUS I’ll become.

          As I said on my blog’s Homepage :

          ” I believe, many of my past years insights, discoveries and understandings are Holy Revelations from God and Jesus and God’s Angels, for lessons to me for the good works I’ve dedicated my life to. My work is to show all our families, world around, they have a choice. Blessed are they which hear and heed these lessons of my witness and knowledge of God and Jesus. “

          Posted by gjpaul | 8 February, 2014, 7:33 pm

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